John 8:24 and John 8:58 Jesus Never Said He Was God Almighty

John 8:58 is commonly quoted by RC Trinitarians and Oneness proponents to support their erroneous belief that Jesus is God Almighty. However, this is easily cleared up if they bothered reading the context rather than picking out verses in isolation.The meaning of John 8:24 is not that Jesus is claiming that he is the ‘I AM’, but that he is in fact claiming to be the Christ, the Son of God.

Let’s place the verse back in context.

John 8:24 KJV

24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

Now, in v25, who is this ‘even the same that I said unto from the beginning?

Let’s read on to the next three verses, to find the context:

John 8:26-28 KJV

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.

27 They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

In v28, Jesus says he is the Son of Man. The fact that in v26 and v27 he says he was sent by his Father, who is God, immediately implies that Jesus is the Son of God. However, let’s go  a little further back in the book of John to confirm that this is what Jesus meant in v25.

Note also that in v28 where Jesus says ‘I am he’ he is referring back to the words ‘Son of Man’ in the same sentence in v28.

We hear the term Son of Man used by Jesus again:

John 6:62-69 KJV

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

These things were said to the Jews in the synagogue at Capernaum:

John 6:59 KJV

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

But did Jesus say anything else confirming this?

Let’s move a little forward again on to John chapter 7:

John 7:14-16 KJV

14 Now about the midst of the feast Jesus went up into the temple, and taught.

15 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned?

16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me.

John 7:27-31 KJV

27 Howbeit we know this man whence he is: but when Christ cometh, no man knoweth whence he is.

28 Then cried Jesus in the temple as he taught, saying, Ye both know me, and ye know whence I am: and I am not come of myself, but he that sent me is true, whom ye know not.

29 But I know him: for I am from him, and he hath sent me.

30 Then they sought to take him: but no man laid hands on him, because his hour was not yet come.

31 And many of the people believed on him, and said, When Christ cometh, will he do more miracles than these which this man hath done?

FURTHER PROOF:

John 9:35-38 KJV

35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

36 He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him?

37 And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee.

38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

Mark 13:6 KJV

6 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

Mark 14:61-62 KJV

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Please note the use of ‘I AM’ above in v62, and that it refers to the question asked by the high priest in v61.

John 8:58 merely testifies to Jesus pre-existence, that before Abraham was, Jesus was already existing.

Remember: the only charges the Jews could bring against Jesus was that he claimed that he could raise the temple in three days and that he claimed to be the SON OF GOD – NOT GOD HIMSELF! (Mark 14:58-59 KJV)

What else did Jesus say?

Matt. 16:16-17 KJV:

16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

John 10:33-36 KJV:

33 The Jews answered him, saying , For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. 34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said , Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came , and the scripture cannot be broken ;36Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified , and sent into the world , Thou blasphemest ; because I said , I am the Son of God?

John 20:31 KJV:

31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

JESUS NEVER SAID HE WAS GOD ALMIGHTY

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Author: havefaithinjesus

I am a Christian of the Body of Christ.

4 thoughts on “John 8:24 and John 8:58 Jesus Never Said He Was God Almighty”

  1. John 1:1 “in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the word was God.”

    John 8:58 “Jesus said to them, ‘Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM’.” (I AM is the “personal” name of God as revealed to Moses in the Old Testament. Note that in the following verse, the Jews pick up rocks to stone Him-because He claimed to be God.)

    John 10:30 “I and the Father are one.”

    The concept of Jesus saying He is God is a difficult one for some. He was fully God and fully man, however. Think of the Trinity like water. Water has three distinct, separate forms-water, ice, and vapor. All three are water, yet all three have their own unique characteristics. Jesus plainly stated He was God, this was one of the reasons the Jews sought to kill Him.

    1. Hi Michael,

      Thank you for your comment, as it confirms and illustrates the misconception by RC Trinity proponents which I had previously described in my post ‘Why The Trinity and Oneness Doctrines Are False’ and also in my post ‘John 8:24 and John 8:58 Jesus Never Said He Was God Almighty’.

      I repeat, it is not incorrect to call Jesus a God, but it is incorrect to say that Jesus is God Almighty, the Father. Please note the difference! Besides, the Trinity definition says that the Father and Son are distinct from each other, therefore, it would also be contradictory and hypocritical to imply that they are the same, would it not?

      John 10:30 states that Jesus and the Father are of one accord. Nothing more, nothing less.Jesus did not claim he was God the Father, this was incorrectly assumed by the Jews, and Jesus clarified this himself by claiming that he is the Son of God.

      Please read the following for verification:

      John 10:30-36 KJV

      30 I and my Father are one.
      31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
      32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
      33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
      34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
      35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
      36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

      John 17:5-11 KJV

      5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
      6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
      7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
      8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
      9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
      10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
      11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

  2. What do you mean when you write, “it is not incorrect to call Jesus a God”? There is only 1 true God and there are false gods. Which then is Jesus?

    1. Hi Gary,
      Thanks for visiting and for your comment.

      I will try and clarify my statement, it is entirely consistent with Scripture:

      John 10:33-36 KJV

      33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
      34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
      35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
      36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

      Psalm 82:6-8 KJV

      6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
      7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
      8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

      Psalm 136:2 KJV2

      O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

      John 5:20-25 KJV

      20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
      21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
      22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
      23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
      24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
      25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

      Clearly from these verses taken from the Bible, God the Father Himself calls those to whom the word of God came, ‘gods’, and Jesus points this out to the Jews (John 10:33-35). Jesus understood this from his own knowledge of the Scriptures. Which is why he clarified himself to avoid any confusion:

      John 17:3 KJV

      3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

      This also clarifies John 5:23 above.

      Some people say that the Hebrew word ‘elohim’, translated as ‘theos’ in the Greek and ‘god’ in English, can also mean ‘mighty one’ or even ‘judge/ruler’. This may be the case in some contexts, but let’s be rational about this. Jesus calls himself the Son of God. God calls us adopted ‘children of God’ when we become christians, hence we may also be termed ‘sons of God’ or ‘gods’, but clearly, we are less mighty, and the only One True God is God the Father Almighty. God the Father Almighty is my Father and Jesus Christ His Son is my Lord.

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