“God The Son”

“God The Son”, they say.

“Co-equal and co-eternal”, they say.

What does this mean?

Didn’t Jesus say that he is “The Son of God”? -Which makes perfect sense, considering he says he has a Father who he claims is the only true God.

But “God the Son” and “Co-equal and co-eternal with God the Father”?

Didn’t Jesus say, “The Father is greater than I”?

Didn’t Jesus say, “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.”

Yet some say he is God Almighty, others say he is equal to God Almighty…so why doesn’t he know? Even though he is at God’s right hand now, he still waits for his Father’s command.

Didn’t Jesus also say,

John 5:37 “Besides, the Father who sent me bears witness to me himself. You have never heard his voice, you have never seen his shape,
5:38 and his word finds no home in you because you do not believe in the one whom he has sent.”

Didn’t the prophet Isaiah, speaking for God say, ” After he has suffered, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities.”

My righteous servant?! What happened to “co-eternal and co-equal”??

Didn’t the apostle Paul also say:

1 Timothy 6:13-16 NJB

Now, before God, the source of all life, and before Jesus Christ, who witnessed to his noble profession of faith before Pontius Pilate, I charge you
to do all that you have been told, with no faults or failures, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,
who at the due time will be revealed by God, the blessed and only Ruler of all, the King of kings and the Lord of lords,
who alone is immortal, whose home is in inaccessible light, whom no human being has seen or is able to see
: to him be honour and everlasting power. Amen.
One can go on and on with examples,

And yet still these people still say,

“God the Son”,

“Co-equal and eternal”

What these people are saying is that Christ did not really die. Think about it.

 

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
Their teaching denies the testimony the Father gives of the Son and the testimony the Son gives of the Father.

Their teaching is false.

Their teaching is antichrist.

And where did this false teaching originate, which has been promoted through torture, bloodshed and death and is now taught in the majority of churches?

Answer: The Roman Catholic Church, the false church of Revelation.

And no wonder, its leaders claim to be ‘Vicars (meaning ‘substitute for’ or ‘in place of’) of Christ’. In other words, Antichrists.

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Author: havefaithinjesus

I am a Christian of the Body of Christ.

22 thoughts on ““God The Son””

  1. Poem – What is love?

    Two men came to Jesus
    With different motivations.
    They asked Him the same question
    Relevant to all the nations:

    Which is the Most Important?
    The answer was the same.
    Jesus did not manipulate
    He was not there to play a game.

    “Love the Lord your God” said Jesus
    as He quoted from The Law –
    to fulfill and not abolish
    was His purpose, full of awe.

    Jesus did not make all Scripture
    Into one new great commandment.
    He summarized The Law and Prophets
    “First and Greatest” and “The Second.”

    The Love of God is higher
    Than the love of any man.
    Receive from God, give back to God-
    Then to others, that’s His plan.

    The Love of God involves much more
    Than simply “love your fellow man.”
    Worship, trust, and pray to God,
    and obey Him – that’s His plan

    To worship and pray to neighbors,
    Whoever they may be,
    Or trust and obey our enemies
    Would be idolatry.

    The love of God is first and greatest,
    And the love of man is second.
    “All we need is love” are words
    of dead Beetles on the pavement.

    “The entire law is summed up in a single command”
    are not the words of Jesus our Salvation.
    It’s false teaching of Paul the Pharisee
    an “accuser of our brethren.”

    “Love” without God is Satan’s word through Paul
    in his chapter to the Corinthians.
    “I will show you the most excellent way”
    is the road to eternal perdition.

    Where is God in Paul’s chapter on love?
    Nowhere in view of the eye.
    Paul sings about himself like a Mexican Mariachi
    “I, I, I, I.”

    Jesus is The Most Excellent Way
    Not the words of a Pharisee.
    The words of Jesus are very clear.
    Jesus said, “You must follow ME.”

    1. You cannot be a Christian. If you were, you would accept the evidence in the New Testament.If you do not accept what is said about Paul, or his writings, why should you accept the rest of the New Testament? The witnesses are the same. You have no evidence for your claims and speak ill of what you do not know.

      1. Acts 11:26 says:
        “The disciples were called Christians first at Antioch.”

        I have faith in Jesus – the real Jesus of the True Apostles.
        I am a follower of my Lord God Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah, son of Yahweh the Most High God of Heaven and Earth, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets, not abolish them – just as the true Apostles and other followers were in Acts chapter 8. I don’t follow the “christ” of Paul the Pharisee, who supposedly abolished the Law.

        Parable of the House Painters

        A homeowner called his friend, who was a painting contractor. “Friend, I want to hire you and your team to paint my house and my garage. Paint the house first, and I’ll stay in the garage until you’re done. Then when the paint is dry, I’ll move back into the house, and you can paint the garage.”

        The painting contractor hired a new foreman named Paul, and gave him the homeowner’s instructions. (Paul insisted that all the workers show respect for him by addressing him as “Boss Paul.”) Paul called the team of painters together and told them:
        “Boys, we need to paint this garage and house. The quicker we do it, the more profitable it is for us. So get to work! Since the garage is smaller, we can finish that quicker. Then those who finished the garage can go help the others finish the house.”

        One worker objected: “But Boss Paul, those were not the owner’s instructions! We are supposed to paint the house first. Only after the house is finished and the paint is dry can we go and paint the garage.”

        Paul replied: “I’m Boss, you work for me, and you do as I say. We are painters, and we paint. We don’t have time for debates about ‘which one is first’. We need to get to work applying that paint to the garage and house as quick as we can. Which owner would be upset if we finished early? The job is to paint the garage and house – what difference does it make ‘which one is first’”?

        “It makes a big difference to the owner,” the worker objected. To which Paul replied, “you’re fired.” Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house.

        When the homeowner returned in the evening, he was furious. He had nowhere to sleep, and had to go stay in a hotel for several days. The homeowner’s friend, the painting contractor, apologized, and explained:

        “I hired a new foreman named Paul, but that was a huge mistake. He ignored your instructions that I passed on to him. You don’t know him, and I’ve just barely met him.
        To be extremely polite, I could say that Paul ‘says some things which are difficult to understand.’ To be more direct, I could say Paul talks like an arrogant megalomaniac with a messiah complex, proclaiming; ‘I am not under the law’ but yet making up his own laws as he goes along, that everyone else has to obey. Paul said: ‘I became your father…. therefore I urge you to imitate me,’ and ‘I have become all things to all men.’ Paul thinks he’s Boss, and doesn’t need to listen to your instructions that I gave him.”

        In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

      2. Sorry for the length of my reply but it is because it is apparent to me that you have not read/understood what Paul has been saying. This is not intended to be patronising but merely a declaration of fact. Please don’t take it the wrong way.

        First, let’s finish the quote you gave:

        2 Peter 3:16
        As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

        As Paul says, the Law was our schoolmaster, bringing us to faith Christ. Why faith in Christ? Because the Law itself ultimately condemns us to death- because of the law we are all judged sinners-because none of us can keep the whole law in our own strength, no matter how hard we try. We may keep parts of it from time to time, but never all of it.

        Galatians 3:24-25King James Version (KJV)

        24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

        25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

        This is what Paul is saying. When he says we are now no longer under the law but under grace, he does not mean that the commandments have suddenly become void and that we can willingly sin or willingly continue to sin and still hope to have a share in eternal life-he says we should still not sin:

        Romans 6:1-15 KJV
        1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

        2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

        3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

        4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

        5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

        6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

        7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

        8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

        9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

        10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

        11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

        12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

        13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

        14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

        15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

        Please note verse 1 and verse 15- Paul reiterates that what he is saying is not a licence to sin! Verse 12 is a command to follow the commandments.

        In Romans 6, all Paul says is that a person is justified by receiving God’s gift of eternal life, received through faith in His Son our Lord Jesus Christ; it is not obtained by anyone seeking to be justified by keeping the Law.

        By the grace of God, we have been given eternal life life through His Son our Lord Jesus Christ., if we put to death our former self, with its uncontrolled passions, and instead conform ourselves to Christ, becoming a new man, striving to keep the commandments of the Law but ultimately placing our assurance of life not through the keeping of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus.

        Galatians 3:12 KJV
        3 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

        2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

        3 Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

        4 Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

        5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

        6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

        7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

        8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

        9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

        10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

        11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

        12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

        Galatians 3:10-29 NJB
        3:10 On the other hand, all those who depend on the works of the Law are under a curse, since scripture says: Accursed be he who does not make what is written in the book of the Law effective, by putting it into practice.
        3:11 Now it is obvious that nobody is reckoned as upright in God’s sight by the Law, since the upright will live through faith;
        3:12 and the Law is based not on faith but on the principle, whoever complies with it will find life in it.
        3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by being cursed for our sake since scripture says: Anyone hanged is accursed,
        3:14 so that the blessing of Abraham might come to the gentiles in Christ Jesus, and so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.
        3:15 To put it in human terms, my brothers: even when a will is only a human one, once it has been ratified nobody can cancel it or add more provisions to it.
        3:16 Now the promises were addressed to Abraham and to his progeny. The words were not and to his progenies in the plural, but in the singular; and to your progeny, which means Christ.
        3:17 What I am saying is this: once a will had been long ago ratified by God, the Law, coming four hundred and thirty years later, could not abolish it and so nullify its promise.
        3:18 You see, if the inheritance comes by the Law, it no longer comes through a promise; but it was by a promise that God made his gift to Abraham.
        3:19 Then what is the purpose of the Law? It was added to deal with crimes until the ‘progeny’ to whom the promise had been made should come; and it was promulgated through angels, by the agency of an intermediary.
        3:20 Now there can be an intermediary only between two parties, yet God is one.
        3:21 Is the Law contrary, then, to God’s promises? Out of the question! If the Law that was given had been capable of giving life, then certainly saving justice would have come from the Law.
        3:22 As it is, scripture makes no exception when it says that sin is master everywhere; so the promise can be given only by faith in Jesus Christ to those who have this faith.
        3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the Law, locked up to wait for the faith which would eventually be revealed to us.
        3:24 So the Law was serving as a slave to look after us, to lead us to Christ, so that we could be justified by faith.
        3:25 But now that faith has come we are no longer under a slave looking after us;
        3:26 for all of you are the children of God, through faith, in Christ Jesus,
        3:27 since every one of you that has been baptised has been clothed in Christ.
        3:28 There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither slave nor freeman, there can be neither male nor female — for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
        3:29 And simply by being Christ’s, you are that progeny of Abraham, the heirs named in the promise.

        As Paul says: Gal.3:13

        “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law by being cursed for our sake since scripture says: Anyone hanged is accursed,”

        Again, what is the curse of the Law? If anyone is seeking to be justified by works of the Law, he will have to keep the whole of the Law. Please note the difference- this does not mean that Paul is saying that one should not pay heed to the Law!

  2. You said QUOTE:
    .”…it is apparent to me that you have not read/understood what Paul has been saying. This is not intended to be patronising but merely a declaration of fact.”

    So your opinions about “what Paul really meant” are “facts”? Isn’t there an Orwellian term for this in 1984 – like “Doublethink” or “Doublespeak”?

    Many self-professed “Bible-believing Evangelicals” won’t listen to the words of Jesus, because they are brainwashed through reciting their “mantra” – “all scripture is God-breathed.”

    This “Evangelical Mantra” has been accepted by the collective subconscious mind of “The Evangelical Church” without thought, question, reflection, or even 2 witnesses from the Scripture itself. It’s based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus.

    But, “Once an idea has been accepted by your subconscious, it remains there and it governs your behavior until it is replaced or changed.” [ as a pastor named Bishop Dale C. Bronner observed in one of his sermons]

    (Definition from the American Heritage Dictionary.) Mantra (noun) (Hinduism.) A sacred formula believed to embody the divinity invoked and to possess magical power, used in prayer and incantation.

    When cult members repeat their mantra, it makes them deaf to the voice of God, unable to hear God. Instead, it puts their focus on their one “special man” above all others – his personality, words and teachings, character, life example, feelings, experience, intentions, mind, will, emotions, etc. Their cult leader is their hero – he is always right, could never be wrong about anything specific, and he must be obeyed in all things and never questioned. He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up.
    Here are 3 examples.

    .1) Fuhrer. The title of Adolf Hitler as the leader of the German Nazis, author of “Mein Kamph”. Mantra: “Heil Hitler.”

    .2) The self-appointed Prophet Muhammad, author of The Koran. Mantra: …..”and Muhammad is his prophet.”

    .3) Paul the Pharisee, the self-appointed Apostle to the Gentiles, whose 13 letters comprise one third of what, today, we call the “New Testament.” (The first, original “New Testament” was composed by the second century heretic Marcion, and he coined the term “New Testament.” His new “book” contained nothing except 10 of Paul’s letters and an abbreviated Gospel of Luke. There were no other “New Testament” books, and the Hebrew Scriptures were the “Old Testament” which was irrelevant, according to the heretic Marcion.) Mantra: “All Scripture is God-breathed….”

    I got my Masters Degree at Dallas Theological Seminary. I was attracted to the school because they put Paul’s mantra of “All Scripture is God-breathed” above everything else, and I wanted to heed Paul’s command and “Preach the Word” like Paul….

    This mantra is a misinterpretation out of context of 2 Timothy 3:16. It ignores the previous verse, 2 Timothy 3:15, which clearly indicates that Paul was NOT referring to his own letters when he wrote the words “All Scripture.”

    Paul was probably making reference to some of the Hebrew Scriptures, quite likely including the Law and the Prophets. We cannot be completely certain exactly which “Scriptures” Paul meant in “All Scripture”, and what Paul meant by “God-breathed.” Why can’t we be certain?

    Because we must establish a matter by the testimony of two or three witnesses, especially something as important as “What is the Word of God.” No one else in the pages of the Bible besides Paul ever said anything like “All Scripture is God-breathed”. And Paul only said it here, one time, in the middle of a personal letter.

    The Apostle Peter made reference to “Prophecy of Scripture,” not “All Scripture,” and no it’s not the same thing at all. Jesus never said anything like that. And no one, not even Paul, ever said that all Scripture was equal.

    I remember the general approach to the Bible at Dallas being that “every word in the 66 Books is the Word of God”….. and we should interpret it based on “the intended meaning of the author in the historical grammatical context.”

    That is the basic idea of the heavy-duty seminary language we were being trained in. It sounds so right, so intelligent, so professional, so “godly”….. but it is fundamentally flawed.

    When we look at Paul’s teachings and testimony about himself, (in his letters that make up 1/3 of the New Testament,) we should NOT immediately ask ourselves; “what did Paul say, what did Paul mean, and how does this apply to my life?” The fundamental question is NOT “what was in the mind of Paul?”

    Before any of that, the FIRST question to ask is; “does Paul agree with Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?”

    Paul contradicted himself, and his teachings and testimony about himself don’t harmonize with the teachings of Jesus (or with Luke’s record of his life.) Let’s not waste our time with endless debates about “what Paul really meant” with his wacky teachings about “baptizing the dead” or “there is neither male nor female.” Paul was wrong. Jesus reminds us from The Law “at the beginning, the Creator made them male and female.” [Matthew 19:4, Genesis 1:27]

    As to the question of “whether the Bible is ALL truly Gods WORDS”…

    The underlying unspoken assumption is that “The Bible” (66 Books) was given to us by God as “one book” and it’s all “equal” in level of authority, priority, and importance. This comes from unconsciously believing Paul’s mantra, the “Evangelical Mantra”, that “All Scripture is God-breathed”, and falsely assuming Paul was referring to every word in the 66 Books of the Bible. Yet even here, not even Paul, not even once, ever said that “All Scripture is EQUAL” in authority, priority, and importance.

    No one in the pages of the Bible ever said or wrote that “all Scripture,” or “the Bible,” is “all truly God’s words”. Jesus never said anything like that, and Jesus did not see it that way. Jesus did not see even the Hebrew Scriptures, what we call the “Old Testament”, as a whole unit or book that was all equal or “all truly God’s words.” Jesus spoke of The Law, or The Law and the Prophets, holding these 2 sections of the Old Testament above the third, least important sections the “Writings.” And Jesus held the Psalms, the first book of the “Writings” section, above the other books in the “Writings” section in importance, since some parts of some Psalms are prophetic.

    Obviously, the New Testament Scriptures were not written when Jesus was walking the earth. But if we want to get closest to The Source, Jesus himself, it makes sense that we should look first to the eyewitness testimony of two of His appointed Apostles who walked with Him faithfully for over 3 years, Matthew & John. (Also to other eyewitness testimony, recorded by Mark and Luke.) This is more accurate, important, and authoritative than personal letters written by Paul the Pharisee, who never knew Jesus personally, had no part in His ministry, and had no eyewitness testimony.

    We should follow the Jesus of the Gospel writers. We should not follow the “jesus” of Paul the Pharisee or Muhammad or any other man, who had their own ideas of who “jesus” was and what He did.

    1. You said:”So your opinions about “what Paul really meant” are “facts”? ”

      I say: From Paul’s writings, you claim that Paul abolished the Law. However, in the quotes I provided from Romans and Galatians, he clearly states that the commandments must be followed- this is expressed in his statement that we ‘are not to continue in sin’. How do we know what is sin and what is not? By comparing our actions to the Law. Which means the Law is not abolished and that he certainly did not abolish the Law.
      You obviously did not read/ignored my previous response.

      So your ‘opinion’ of Paul is misplaced.

      You said: “He will give himself a special title, write at least one special book, and claim special authority, with no need for a second witness to back him up.”

      I say: You obviously did not read/ignored my previous response.

      2 Peter 3:14-16King James Version (KJV)

      14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

      15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

      16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

      The writer of Peter’s epistle, led by the Holy Spirit, is also Paul’s witness. Just as the Spirit in me, and in millions of others, discerns the truth of Paul’s writings.

      You said:”…the second century heretic Marcion, and he coined the term “New Testament.””

      I say:
      Luke 22:20 KJV
      Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

      Matthew 26:28
      For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

      Mark 14:24 KJV
      And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

      You should not be following the 2nd century heretic Marcion.

      You said:”Paul contradicted himself, and his teachings and testimony about himself don’t harmonize with the teachings of Jesus (or with Luke’s record of his life.) Let’s not waste our time with endless debates about “what Paul really meant” with his wacky teachings about “baptizing the dead” or “there is neither male nor female.” ”

      I say: That is just your opinion. The fact that you do not understand what he is saying does not mean that he is wrong. Anyone who reads his letters with a right understanding will see that he does not abolish the Law at all.This fact alone proves you wrong, quite apart from the other reasons I already mentioned.

      Seriously think about this: You call Paul a Pharisee. But aren’t you really one? You imply that what Paul says about Grace and the Law is “wacky teachings”. So does this mean that you are following and keeping all the commandments, having never broken even one of them? The Bible says only Jesus has done this, the rest of us are all sinners, and that without his sacrifice we have no hope of redemption. This is what Paul is also saying- don’t try and kid yourself that you can justify yourself by keeping the Law- none of us are able to follow the Law completely and without fail, that is why we need a Saviour. That is why Christ came. If we can be saved by our own understanding, strength and ability in keeping the Law, what was the point in him coming? God is perfect, and for Him, ANY transgression of the Law deserves punishment.
      God knows that none of us can actually keep the whole Law, that is why He sent His Son to be our Saviour.

      This why Paul says the Law is our schoolmaster bringing us to faith in Christ, as we begin to realise that no matter how hard we try to keep the Law, we always sin sometime, somewhere. This does not mean that we should give up keeping the commandments, we still follow them as we can as we know this pleases God and is His will, but we acknowledge our infirmity and that God offers us His free gift of Salvation, which is obtained through faith in His Son Jesus Christ.

  3. Dear beloved brother, chosen instrument of God HavefaithinJesus,

    Who appointed Paul an apostle, when, where, who said that? At what point in time did Paul become an apostle? Please quote me chapter and verse. Who gave Paul the title “Apostle to the Gentiles”?
    (“Paul said so” is not enough – let every matter be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.)

    You have dodged the question about the main point of both the poem and the parable.
    In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

    1. Yes, you are correct, I am a Chosen instrument of God, and let this be a warning to you- your hatred of Paul has no foundation. Your interpretation of his words is absolutely false and on your own you have decided that the text from his letters and the other books I have presented to you do not mean what they clearly say. You asked for witnesses- I provided them and you ignored them. You do not even acknowledge that your questions have been addressed. You claim to follow Jesus.Jesus said to judge people by their fruits. Paul’s actions and letters are in total harmony with Jesus’ teaching. If you claim to accept Christ, then you must also accept Paul- Christ chose him. There is the witness of Luke, Mark, Matthew and Peter.Also the early church fathers, Polycarp disciple of John the apostle; and Irenaeus, who had heard Polycarp; there is Clement, not to mention Hippolytus and Justin the Martyr, they all accepted Paul’s writings. Yet you, in your great wisdom, make such bold and outrageous claims as though you had been there in person as a witness. All your claims against Paul are based on your own supposition and flawed theology.

      You falsely accuse me of ‘dodging’ your main issue, when in fact your main issue is only to deride Paul. You then present me with useless and irrelevant information about Hitler, mantras and Muhammad in order to dodge my response and try to further your argument against Paul. The warning is this- repent of your false teaching or as it says in 2 Peter 3:16, it will lead to your own destruction. When you have repented of your false teaching, I am prepared to have discussions as brothers on other aspects of the Bible, but not until then.

      1 Corinthians 1:12
      9God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and thatthere be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you. 12Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ. 13Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul? 14I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius; 15Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.

      2 Peter 3:14-16King James Version (KJV)

      14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.

      15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

      16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.

      Acts 9:1-20 KJV

      9 And Saul, yet breathing out threatenings and slaughter against the disciples of the Lord, went unto the high priest,

      2 And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

      3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:

      4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?

      5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

      6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt thou have me to do? And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the city, and it shall be told thee what thou must do.

      7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.

      8 And Saul arose from the earth; and when his eyes were opened, he saw no man: but they led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.

      9 And he was three days without sight, and neither did eat nor drink.

      10 And there was a certain disciple at Damascus, named Ananias; and to him said the Lord in a vision, Ananias. And he said, Behold, I am here, Lord.

      11 And the Lord said unto him, Arise, and go into the street which is called Straight, and enquire in the house of Judas for one called Saul, of Tarsus: for, behold, he prayeth,

      12 And hath seen in a vision a man named Ananias coming in, and putting his hand on him, that he might receive his sight.

      13 Then Ananias answered, Lord, I have heard by many of this man, how much evil he hath done to thy saints at Jerusalem:

      14 And here he hath authority from the chief priests to bind all that call on thy name.

      15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:

      16 For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name’s sake.

      17 And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house; and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost.

      18 And immediately there fell from his eyes as it had been scales: and he received sight forthwith, and arose, and was baptized.

      19 And when he had received meat, he was strengthened. Then was Saul certain days with the disciples which were at Damascus.

      20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.

  4. Dear chosen instrument / beloved brother,
    You wrote QUOTE:
    “Paul’s actions and letters are in total harmony with Jesus’ teaching”

    In Matthew 22 and Mark 12, Jesus identified two commandments, saying one of them is the first and greatest most important one. Which one is it? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

    (Or do you agree with Paul, Galatians 5:14, Romans 13:8-10?)

    Which one of these contradictory voices are you following?

    1. Your staggering lack of understanding has brought me out of my silence. Let’s look at the Bible references you gave (I’ve added a few verses back because I know you like taking things out of context):

      Matthew 2236 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
      37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
      38 This is the first and great commandment.
      39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

      Matthew 12
      28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
      29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
      30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
      31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
      32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
      33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
      34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

      Romans 13:8-10
      8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
      9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
      Galatians 5King James Version (KJV)
      5 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
      2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
      3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
      4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
      5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
      6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
      13 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another.
      14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
      15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another.
      16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
      17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
      18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
      19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
      20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
      21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
      22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
      23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.
      24 And they that are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
      25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
      26 Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another.

      Apart from wasting my time, what exactly is your point? Are you so blind that you cannot see that ‘loving your neighbour as yourself’ is a summation of the commandments, for the reasons so well explained above, and that ‘to love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength’ is best expressed through actually KEEPING his commandment to ‘love your neighbour as yourself’? See Matthew 12:33 above. That is why Jesus also says that both commandments are like each other. Paul’s statement agrees with this.

      Matthew, you displayed a similar, terrible lack of judgement and understanding when you said in one of your earlier responses to me that because Paul said, ‘There is no male or female’, he is contradicting Yahweh ‘who made them both male and female’. Again, do you not realise that you have taken Paul’s statement out of context? He was talking about ‘equality’:
      Galatians 3
      26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
      27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
      28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
      29 And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
      Do you admit your error in both cases?
      What exactly do you have against Paul, and why do you malign him so much? What do you find so wrong with Grace?
      ‘…and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
      8 And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
      9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
      10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
      11 But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
      12 Then all the multitude kept silence, and gave audience to Barnabas and Paul, declaring what miracles and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them’.

      1. Perhaps you should call yourself havefaithinPAUL….
        Thank you for putting relevant Scripture passages there for the world to see. I illustrates that the observations I am making about the text ARE NOT out of context. Anyone who has eyes to see can see that Paul’s teaching are contradicting Jesus. You have to rationalize, and fall back on what YOU claim “Paul really is saying” or “what Paul really meant” in your opinion….. rather than the text in Paul’s letters, which contradict the words of Jesus in the Gospels.

        Since you have faith in Paul you said, QUOTE:
        “‘loving your neighbour as yourself’ is a summation of the commandments….”

        No, it’s not. Keeping this commandment is essential, not optional – it’s AN application, and A result of loving God – not THE application and THE result of loving God. You could say it’s a summation of commandments 5-10 in the 10 commandments, I would agree with that. But it’s not a summation of all 10 of the 10 commandments. As I illustrated in my poem above about “what is love”,

        Which is the Most Important?
        The answer was the same.
        Jesus did not manipulate
        He was not there to play a game.

        “Love the Lord your God” said Jesus
        as He quoted from The Law –
        to fulfill and not abolish
        was His purpose, full of awe.

        Jesus did not make all Scripture
        Into one new great commandment.
        He summarized The Law and Prophets
        “First and Greatest” and “The Second.”

        The Love of God is higher
        Than the love of any man.
        Receive from God, give back to God-
        Then to others, that’s His plan.

        The Love of God involves much more
        Than simply “love your fellow man.”
        Worship, trust, and pray to God,
        and obey Him – that’s His plan

        To worship and pray to neighbors,
        Whoever they may be,
        Or trust and obey our enemies
        Would be idolatry.

        The love of God is first and greatest,
        And the love of man is second.
        “All we need is love” are words
        of dead Beetles on the pavement.

        “The entire law is summed up in a single command”
        are not the words of Jesus our Salvation.
        It’s false teaching of Paul the Pharisee
        an “accuser of our brethren.”

        Which commandment is the first and greatest most important one? The one in Deuteronomy 6:4-5, or the one in Leviticus 19:18 ?

      2. John 14:15-31King James Version (KJV)

        15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

        Please compare that to what I said in my response to you. Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to admit that you were wrong.

        By the way, Jesus gave Peter the keys to the kingdom, didn’t he? That must mean that Peter has some authority, wouldn’t you agree? Read the words I quoted on Grace – they’re Peter’s.

        I will respond to your other comment when I have some time. After that I will block any further comments from you. You need to repent of your false teaching. This is a Christian website for the edification of Christians.

  5. If you have faith in Jesus, you should listen to HIM, and the Apostles He personally appointed, regarding what an “Apostle” really is. They knew – better than anyone else, including Paul.

    “What is an Apostle?”
    Here is the answer based on the original sources:
    The words and actions of Jesus and the Original Apostles in the text of the New Testament.

    .1) Gospel of Mark – time lag between being appointed and being sent
    “Jesus went up on a mountainside and called to him those he wanted, and they came to him. He appointed twelve – designating them apostles – that they might be with him…” [Mark 3:13-14]

    Three chapters later,
    “Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. Calling the Twelve to him, he sent them out two by two and gave them authority over evil spirits.” [Mark 6:6-7]

    .2) Gospel of Luke – time lag between being appointed and being sent
    “One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. When morning came, he called his disciples to him and chose twelve of them, whom he also designated apostles: Simon…..” [Luke 6:12-14]

    Again three chapters later,
    “When Jesus had called the Twelve together, he gave them power and authority to drive out all demons and to cure diseases, and he sent them out to preach the kingdom of God and to heal the sick.” [Luke 9:1-2]

    .3) Gospel of Matthew – which is organized by theme, not necessarily in chronological order.
    “He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal disease and sickness. These are the names of the twelve apostles: first, Simon…” [Matthew 10:1]

    Without any clear time reference, continuing on the theme of the Apostles, Matthew does record “These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions…” [Matthew 10:5] Matthew never said that the Apostles were “sent out” immediately after being appointed. If we didn’t also have the clear records in Mark and Luke, it would be a fairly logical assumption that Jesus sent them out right away, but it would still be just an assumption. In this case, that assumption would clearly be wrong. The Twelve Apostles were absolutely NOT sent out right away after being appointed Apostles, according to Mark chapters 3 through 6, and Luke chapters 6 through 9.

    So being an Apostle of Jesus involves being sent by Jesus, yes. But that isn’t the only meaning, or even the first and primary meaning. The first thing was “that they might be with Him” personally, together, for His entire earthly ministry, from the time of John the Baptist until Jesus rose to heaven. Jesus poured his life into the 12 Apostles for 3 ½ years very personally training them to be the leaders of the church, and Jesus chose Peter as first among equals.

    The NIV translation inserts the heading “Matthias Chosen to Replace Judas” for the passage Luke wrote in Acts 1:12-26]. The NIV headings were not part of the original text, and sometimes they can be misleading, but in this case I believe the heading is right on.

    Jesus and the Original Apostles knew what an Apostle is better than anyone else in the world. Why is this a strange idea? Why do so many people frequently attack and tear down and dismiss the Original Apostles, particularly Peter, as if they were all incompetent, stupid, and wrong in so many ways, and they didn’t even know what an “Apostle” was? The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul, rather than the voices of Jesus and the Original Apostles.

    As we consider the question “what is an Apostle”, we should carefully listen to the words of the leader that Jesus personally appointed as first among the Apostles, and trained personally for 3 ½ years, Peter.

    “It is necessary to choose one of the men who have been with us the whole time the Lord Jesus went in and out among us, beginning from John’s baptism to the time when Jesus was taken up from us. For one of these must become a witness with us of his resurrection.” [Acts 1:21-22]

    Neither Paul, nor James, nor Luke were with Jesus and the Apostles the whole time, so they were not qualified to be a “witness with the Apostles of Jesus’ resurrection”, which is what it means to be an Apostle. Matthias was qualified, appointed, and later recognized as part of The Twelve. No one except Judas ever lost his apostleship.

    Responding to a question from Peter,
    “Jesus said to them:
    …you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” [Matthew 19:28]

    We cannot prove that Judas was present at that time, and we cannot prove that Matthias was absent at that time when Jesus spoke those words. Even if Judas was physically present, as we all realize now, he was not a true follower of Jesus. And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being “you who have followed me,” not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world.

    At the Last Supper, Jesus said to His Apostles:
    “You are those who have stood by me in my trials. And I confer on you a kingdom, just as my Father conferred on one on me, so that you may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom and sit on thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” [Luke 22:28-30]

    Was Judas present when Jesus spoke those words? Even if someone wants to be argumentative and say we can’t prove that Judas wasn’t there at the time, we certainly can’t prove that Judas WAS there. Judas obviously didn’t stand by Jesus in his trial, as the whole world knows. But that was the requirement Jesus gave to “sit on thrones:” “You are those who have stood by me in my trials.” “You”, speaking to His 11 Apostles who had been walking with Him faithfully for 3 ½ years. Not others in the future who will follow the risen Jesus Christ. Notice that at the Last Supper, when Judas lost his throne and Matthias was definitely absent, Jesus chose to speak of “thrones” rather than “twelve thrones” as he had previously.

    The Apostle John recorded about the New Jerusalem,
    “The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.” [Revelation 21:14]

    The Apostles are 12 faithful eyewitnesses who walked with Jesus during His entire earthly ministry, and Matthias is the 12th. That’s the short version of my definition of “what is an Apostle.”

    1. Your post is full of straw men.
      Let’s not forget what your main message has always been: That is, from your own interpretation of the Bible you believe Paul to be a Pharisee (you claim by his behaviour!) and a false apostle, because he was called an apostle by others and also because he claimed to be an apostle.

      You say that we should listen to Jesus, so please note:

      1.Jesus chose Paul, recorded in Acts 9, and Jesus also reiterated this through Ananias Acts 9:15. Therefore, in addition to the words of Jesus when he walked the earth, we should listen also to what God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ are saying through Paul, whom they have sent. Peter and the other Apostles did. Why don’t you?

      Just because you choose not to believe the evidence, it being an obstacle to your false teaching, it remains your problem, not the believer’s. The world is not going to rewrite the Bible just for you just because you cannot understand it.

      2. Meanings of the word ‘apostle’:
      a delegate; an ambassador of the Gospel; officially a commissioner of Christ (“apostle”) (with miraculous powers):–apostle, messenger, he that is sent.
      Paul is called an apostle in Acts 14:4,14
      Paul claimed to be an apostle and was called one by the writer of Acts. Paul did not claim to be one of the Twelve. The writer of Acts or any other book in the Bible did not claim that he was one of the Twelve. You are the one who is saying he did.
      Just because he does not fit the criteria of the Twelve in having having been with Christ up until his crucifixion does not negate his credential of ‘apostle’. Jesus chose him, Paul received the Holy Spirit and Jesus sent him out preach, with all signs and wonders. The accounts of miraculous healing by Paul are all there in the Bible, but if you choose not to believe them, that is up to you – but that is all it is- your choice and opinion only- it does not invalidate the Bible. Remember, the onus is upon you, not me, to find evidence to the contrary. If you wish to say that Paul was not chosen by Christ, THEN PROVE IT, instead of making empty statements without a shred of evidence. We are not in the playground.

      3. You said: “…Why do so many people frequently attack and tear down and dismiss the Original Apostles, particularly Peter, as if they were all incompetent, stupid, and wrong in so many ways, and they didn’t even know what an “Apostle” was? The answer to that question is, they have been listening to the voice of Paul”
      I say: Again, just your opinion. Paul rebuked Peter once only. Peter acknowledged his error, They agreed on everything- read Acts 15, an excellent proof. No Christian will ever ‘attack and tear down and dismiss’ the apostles. You should stop making up stories.

      4. Finally, what matter is it to you or I if Paul is or is not the twelveth apostle? Look at the fruits: miracles, conversions; he even admonished Peter on his behaviour with the Gentiles, and Peter repeats and proclaims the same message of Grace as Paul in front of all the Apostles and disciples when they meet. Read and understand Acts 15.Peter acknowledges the truth of what Paul is saying. I reminded you of this in my previous two responses, but again, you either ignore it or refuse to believe it. God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ have spoken through Paul to convey the most beautiful discourse on Love and Grace ever written in the history of mankind.

      What we can say with certainty is that God allowed Matthias to be chosen as one of the Twelve, and that God has also allowed the question of Paul’s future ministerial position to remain unanswered for the time being. That ought to be enough for you. Or does God have to keep you informed of everything He does? We will find out in due course when the resurrection and Judgement of Mankind occurs.

      As I said in one of my earlier responses, I will now block any further comments from you until you repent.

  6. Sorry bud.

    [Titus 2:13] while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    [Hebrews 1:7-8] And about the angels He says: He makes His angels winds, and His servants a fiery flame but to the Son: Your throne, God, is forever and ever, and the scepter of Your kingdom is a scepter of justice.

    [2 Peter 1:1-2] Simeon Peter, a slave and an apostle of Jesus Christ: To those who have obtained a faith of equal privilege with ours through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ. May grace and peace be multiplied to you through the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.

    Take a read https://faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/jesus-claimed-to-be-god/

    1. Who says it is wrong to call Jesus ‘my God’? He is -but he is not God Almighty, who gave him his power.

      Re your quote, it depends which translation you read.

      2 Peter 1King James Version (KJV)
      1 Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have obtained like precious faith with us through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
      2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord,

      Please note the ‘and’. In any case, whichever translation is used we understand what is meant in 2 Peter when we read on to 2 Peter 1;17:
      17 For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

      Do you see now? It is a common error for people to take verses out of context. You may see what I mean in my post ‘Jesus Never Said He Was God Almighty’. People see the words ‘I am’ and go into a fit. Please read the article and follow it through with your Bible, hopefully you will see that Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, and not God Almighty- who is the Father.

      1. If Jesus is not literally God, then OF COURSE it is wrong to call Jesus God, in fact that’s a very serious sin known as BLASPHEMY. My quote from 2 Peter is not out of context, I do not see how it is. You can believe that the divinity of Jesus originates from the Father, but that He is nevertheless both divine and eternal. I wrote a blog on this that you seriously need to check out. https://faithfulphilosophy.wordpress.com/2016/10/09/jesus-claimed-to-be-god/

      2. I have addressed this elsewhere on this site if you would care to look. However, to make it easier for you I have copy pasted my response to Gary on the same subject. Please read it carefully and understand. You are in error:

        “I will try and clarify my statement, it is entirely consistent with Scripture:

        John 10:33-36 KJV

        33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
        34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
        35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
        36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

        Psalm 82:6-8 KJV

        6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
        7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.
        8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

        Psalm 136:2 KJV2

        O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy endureth for ever.

        John 5:20-25 KJV

        20 For the Father loveth the Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel.
        21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
        22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
        23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
        24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
        25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

        Clearly from these verses taken from the Bible, God the Father Himself calls those to whom the word of God came, ‘gods’, and Jesus points this out to the Jews (John 10:33-35). Jesus understood this from his own knowledge of the Scriptures. Which is why he clarified himself to avoid any confusion:

        John 17:3 KJV

        3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

        This also clarifies John 5:23 above.

        Some people say that the Hebrew word ‘elohim’, translated as ‘theos’ in the Greek and ‘god’ in English, can also mean ‘mighty one’ or even ‘judge/ruler’. This may be the case in some contexts, but let’s be rational about this. Jesus calls himself the Son of God. God calls us adopted ‘children of God’ when we become christians, hence we may also be termed ‘sons of God’ or ‘gods’, but clearly, we are less mighty, and the only One True God is God the Father Almighty. God the Father Almighty is my Father and Jesus Christ His Son is my Lord.”

      3. There is no question that Jesus is NOT God in the same way that we are “gods” at all, in fact if you keep reading from John 10:37-39, you realize Jesus once again says the Father is in Him and He is in the Father, and at once they again try to seize Him for doing so. This passage unquestionably makes Jesus as God. Jesus is God, as I said before, NOT in the sense we are.
        John 3:16; “For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life”

        Jesus is called the ONE AND ONLY Son, as in He is the only one — this should immediately dispel the notion of any equivalence in these terms, and verify Jesus is indeed God. John 1:1 also establishes this as fact, and John 1:2 says Jesus is eternal. No doubt this rebuts any nonsensical viewpoints against this. All the verses you quote against this fact of Jesus being God establish nothing for your case.

  7. John 10:36 say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou Blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

    Now, what is it exactly that you do not understand about the above verse? I see two words definitely being used there, the ‘Father’ and the ‘Son’, the Son is sent by the Father, and the Son says that he is the Son of God (-and not God Almighty, the Father).
    But you say that the Son is not the Son of God, but that he is God.

    There is not much I can say to convince you if you do not understand the basic meaning of the word ‘Son’.

    You said: “you realize Jesus once again says the Father is in Him and He is in the Father, and at once they again try to seize Him for doing so. This passage unquestionably makes Jesus as God. Jesus is God,”

    Have a look at this:

    John 14:20 KJV
    At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you

    According to your logic then, am I also God? Does that make me the Almighty? Of course not.

    Or do you think rather that Jesus meant it in this sense?:

    John 14:23

    Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

    John 15:3-5

    3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
    4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

    Now let’s look at this:

    You said:” If Jesus is not literally God, then OF COURSE it is wrong to call Jesus God, in fact that’s a very serious sin known as BLASPHEMY. My quote from 2 Peter is not out of context”

    Your quote:
    :” [Titus 2:13] while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Please note the position of the comma. Why did you supply the above quote? What were you trying to make it say by taking it out of context? Seems to me you are trying to use it to claim that Jesus is God the Father, the Almighty. See, you are stuck here. If you claim Jesus is God Almighty, then who is the Father? What happened to Him? If you now say that Jesus is not God the Father Almighty, but instead is God, then you have just committed blasphemy according to your own rules.

    You said:”Jesus is called the ONE AND ONLY Son, as in He is the only one ”

    I say:Jesus said: And this is life eternal, that they might know THEE THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

    You seem to acknowledge that Jesus is called the ‘one and only son’; so what does Jesus mean when he says ‘You the only true God’? Does he include himself in that statement or reserve the title of ‘only true God’ to his Father only?

    What exactly DO you believe?

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